Non-Therapeutic Dialogues
These examples describe what Hoover calls 'non-therapeutic dialogues' even though these patterns are quite common in cognitive-type psychotherapy.The dialogues illustrate very well one of Hoover's central contentions that just because someone is bothered or distressed about an event, it doesn't prove the person is being irrational, illogical or stupid.
In fact, it rather might prove that they're normal.
First Vignette: mother's loss of child access
In the first vignette, a 29-year-old mother, Anne, has lost custody of her children and now only sees them for limited times.
Anne: I couldn't have believed how painful it would be living without my kids. At first I was just angry with Jim [husband] but now I just miss them so much.
Counsellor [CR]: But you have them every second weekend. Isn't that better than nothing?
Anne: It's just not the same.
CR: I don't get it. Sounds like you're saying that you are prepared to be without them every second weekend.
Anne: In a way.
CR: But if you loved them you'd want to be with them at least part of the time.
Anne: I do love them but when they leave it is heart-wrenching and I wonder whether it's all worth it.
CR: You need to know it's worth it. You need to tell yourself that being without them is just tough. Too bad but it's not really awful.
Anne: But it's rough on them too.
CR: You don't know that for sure. They may look sad when they leave but how do you know that they're not having a good time five minutes later?
Anne: But they don't sleep well when they are at night. I'm sure of that, and they always sleep well when they are with me.
CR: Boy, your thinking's really out of kilter. Your really giving yourself a hard time.
You get the point I'm sure. None of us would like to be 'counselled' using this 'struggle' method perfected by the communist Chinese during Mao Tse Tung's era! The dialogue has become an argument with the counsellor trying to convince the client that the counsellor is correct and that the client is wrong and should change her thinking. It assumes that the client is wrong until s/he starts agreeing with the counsellor's analysis.
But what if we accepted that what the client is feeling and saying is realistic given what she is going through?
Second Vignette: client adultery
A further example leads into another discussion of the function of feelings of self-esteem.
A male, Sid, comes to counselling who has been cheating on his wife and is feeling guilty about it. He believes he has let his family down and others who look to him with respect. So the Professional Counsellor [Cpro] leads off with:
Cpro: But why put yourself down? Why can't you still like yourself?
Sid: I cheated on all the principles I believe in.
Cpro: So that's why you're irrationally hating yourself as much as you do.
Sid: I wouldn't say I hate myself exactly but I certainly feel bad about what I've done.
Cpro: But you couldn't be feeling guilty unless you were irrationally saying to yourself how worthless you are. Are you saying you like yourself for what you've done?
Sid: No, I don't like myself for what I've done.
Cpro: I would say, 'hate yourself' and 'putting yourself down'. Now is that wise?
Sid: Probably not.
Cpro: Suppose it was me who had done the cheating. Would you be hating me?
Sid: No.
Cpro: So. You've got a double standard and that's part of the irrationality. In addition, as long as you keep hating yourself you remain dependent.
Sid: What do you mean?
Cpro: If you don't like yourself then you can't believe in yourself and you get dependent on others such as the dependency you have on your wife caring for you.
Sid: Dependency on my wife. I don't think I have a dependency on my her. I just want to be fair and save my marriage if I can.
Cpro: What you are saying is true to a point but you also are to some degree dependent on her.
This example epitomises the modern obsession with trying to ensure that the client feels good about himself even though he has done something wrong.
The feelings of guilt that Sid above is experiencing should not be treated as a noisy inconvenience but as promoting self-examination and an openness to correction. (Sometimes clients come suffering from false guilt but not always as in the above case.)
It is not the function of psychologists to rid people of genuine guilt or low self-esteem when sometimes these feelings will give the sufferer valuable information about their actions.
Trying to encourage unlimited positive self-regard in order to escape depression, anxiety, guilt feelings, low self-esteem feelings etc. is trying to aim for an existence that is unattainable in this life by robbing people of their feelingful lives.
Of course, I doubt that Hoover has those abused clients in mind who have been almost destroyed emotionally by noxious comments made by neurotic parents or others over long periods of time. Moreover, a proportion of clients also exists who will find it hard to be helped by psychotherapy at all.
But of those amenable to psychotherapy some of what he advocates would surely benefit many.